Monday, April 18, 2005

More Geneva.

Further to this post, and to the comments prompted by it and on Lawtalkers, one can fairly ask why the fighting on the Eastern Front and in the Pacific was more brutal than the fighting on the Western Front. Certainly the Germans and the Americans regarded the Russians and Japanese, respectively, as something less than fully human, although that is hardly a satisfying explanation, since the brutality was reciprocal. And, as Iris Chang wrote about, Japanese conduct towards Americans continued a pattern of brutality seen in Japan's fighting in China in the years before 1941. On this view, maybe the better question is, why did the fighting on the Western Front not generally reach the depths seen elsewhere around the world at that time. Surely the Geneva Conventions had something to do with it.

Comments:
The western front was relatively fresh line running down the middle and within the bounds of the Holy Roman Empire. The eastern front ran along the line of schism and the pacific between christendom and paganism. Our tendency to be beastly to others in proportion to their "otherness"looks like a ready-made explanation, much as I'd love to credit the GC.
 
Also we know ethnic hatred was domestic and foreign policy for the Nazi's and that they rated the Scandanavians, English and French a lot higher than slavs.
 
That suggests you think the Geneva Conventions were futile, no?
 
Nuh-uh. To extrapolate wildly but at least in the direction I was heading would be to say I think they were inevitable, in that it was a deal struck by friends or siblings (not that I actually know who were the signatories at the time).
 
Laws and treaties surely help shape views about what sort of behavior is acceptable, even in wartime.
 
You'd think, and I'd surely like to believe, but I don't see that we have evidence at hand to chalk up for that position.
 
What sort of "evidence" could you ever possibly have?
 
I don't know, but I had the impression that among the points you were making or that Dyson or somebody was making was that if we look around we can see the GCs do good, which was an idea I liked, because I'd like to be able to persuade people who don't share my intuitions. So I'm disappointed. Me being disappointed is not a crime against humanity however. No biggie.
 
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